Chapter 889 Discussion

After realizing how amazing his teacher had done, Li Qi chose to contact the other party almost immediately.

Fortunately, the connection between the three-grades did not require him to go back in person, he could contact while working in the Desire Realm.

All he had to do was follow the line of cause and effect and lightly touch the other party -

Touch...

The other party.

Wait, no reaction.

He did find Zhu Fengdan, just like before.

When Li Qi was a fourth-grade or even fifth-grade, he could also find people along the line of cause and effect. This was one of his third-grade characteristics, and he had found some third-grades and even wanted to touch them without knowing whether to live or die. (See Chapter 618 for details)

In Li Qi's eyes at that time, he had found some "monsters", indescribable giant beasts, which were actually quite dangerous. If the other party had not carefully waved him away, he would probably die when he touched them.

And now, he has been able to contact similar giant beasts, and he is even one of them.

He has become a giant gravitational source that pulls everything. He is already very important in this universe, no longer the ant that touched the monster along the spider web.

In this case, Li Qi should be very conspicuous, and Zhu Fengdan must not fail to notice him.

So what happened?

Li Qi immediately withdrew his power to stimulate the desire world, gathered all his thoughts and calculations, gathered his Dharma body, and condensed his strength. The next moment, he disappeared directly from the spot and returned to Wushen Mountain.

In Wushen Mountain, in Zhu Fengdan's cave, a corpse suddenly opened his eyes.

"Oh, I didn't expect that one day I would fall to the point where you worry about me. It's a bit embarrassing." Zhu Fengdan's corpse sat up and recovered quickly.

It is not difficult for him to have a perfect body at this moment. Even if he declines to the limit, he can still be gorgeous in the eyes of mortals.

"Teacher, is this why you didn't come when I was promoted? I was surprised. Although you are usually unrestrained, you are not so careless... I didn't expect that you would be injured like this." Li Qi walked over quickly to check on Zhu Fengdan's condition.

He didn't even need to use true knowledge. He could detect his injuries with just a glance.

"Oh, this is really... there is such a way of fighting. It actually forcibly inserts the Dao of humanity, distorts cognition, and makes the Dao in the body fight, unable to be self-consistent and implodes. Is this trick considered cheating?" Li Qi exclaimed.

This is indeed cheating.

The power of the third rank is almost unsolvable. This is no longer something that can be handled on the physical level. Their power is completely based on their own "Dao".

But the problem is that the "Dao" is rooted in their own cognition. Can this cognition be forcibly inserted into other Dao rules? Fake, right?

In this case, doesn't it mean that the third rank's cognition of the world can be tampered with?

There is no such thing!

Zhu Fengdan shrugged: "It depends on the Taoism. The Demonic Taoism and the Spiritual Taoism are not affected by this. They are immune to any forced tampering because they are relatively independent."

"You also have this nature. This is not a weakness for you. Your degree of 'self-existence' is very high."

"But I can't do that." Zhu Fengdan got up lazily, then thought about it, lay back down, and said: "I admit the reality and self-existence of this universe, so my thinking must be subject to the self-existence of the universe. In other words, my thinking cannot be higher than the matter itself. As long as I interfere with the matter, I can interfere with my 'Tao'."

Li Qi frowned: "Isn't it wrong? Distorting the universe is for-"

"It's matter, not the universe." Zhu Fengdan interrupted Li Qi lightly: "Calm down, don't be like a fool."

This made Li Qi take a deep breath.

Then, he suddenly realized what the other party meant.

Matter is not equal to the universe.

Matter can even be higher than the universe. Under "nature", that is, in the world believed by witches and human beings, the infinite, eternal, and absolute nature of material existence is more solid than time and space.

Specifically, the most typical one is Guixu.

Guixu is nothing special. It is just a large amount of matter condensed together, but the mass alone is enough to distort time and space itself.

In the natural world of witches and sorcerers, the unity of this universe lies in materiality. Every individual and specific thing in the world, from the galaxy to the body of the star officials, to various basic particles and gas, is born and dies, but the entire material world is infinite, eternal and absolute.

Matter itself has the ability and conditions for continuous transformation. Any individual thing is not produced from "nothingness", but is transformed from other things. The destruction of things is not to become "nothingness", but to transform into other forms of matter.

No method can eliminate matter itself, but only change the original form or structure of matter.

Even Li Qi changed the entire universe, so it is the same.

The various changes in the world under the influence of various "forces", various "lights", various "airs", and numerous rules, all change the way matter moves.

However, matter itself still exists, in various forms.

Even gravitational chemistry is still essentially matter.

Just like... spirit.

Li Qi had seen the world of pure thinking. The spirit created by Ling Dao and others did not exist in material. It was a completely abstract world that could exist only by relying on "ideas".

Li Qi realized that he had also seen the world of pure matter.

That was the "inner world" of the witches and shamans.

The inner world that witches and shamans have been cultivating since they began their practice. There is no spiritual existence in it. The inner world is alive, but if it is viewed apart from the witches and shamans themselves, this thing is a typical "dead thing".

There is no "higher wisdom" in the inner world. If Li Qi wants, he can put together some living things, but living things do not mean higher wisdom.

In other words, these creatures cannot appear in the world of pure thinking.

The world of pure matter and the world of pure spirit are actually... equivalent in a sense?

But it is different in the real universe.

In the real universe, spirit and matter are equal.

Just as the things in the world are so different, it seems that there is a master, or a creator, or some other "first cause", and it is their will that makes the world like that, but if you seek the trace of the creator, the result can only be nothing.

Therefore, things are created by themselves and do not depend on each other. All specific things are independent and self-sufficient, and the same is true for spirit and matter.

"So that's it, I understand, so your way, teacher, is rooted in the most basic matter, and will not change because of the laws of physics or cosmic constants. In fact, it is essentially the same as pure thinking, but one foundation is spirit, through which matter is derived, and the other foundation is matter, and matter constitutes spirit."

Li Qi actually knew the difference a long time ago, but he didn't know until today that Zhu Fengdan's foothold was like this.

Spiritual Taoism or Demonic Taoism, these Taoist traditions believe that all matter is just a derivative of spirit, spiritual ideas are eternal and immortal, and real tangible things are the share and imitation of ideas.

Only in pure spirit can there be a perfect "circle", while all circles and spheres in reality are essentially a poor imitation of this abstract "circle", and they can never be imitated properly, because pi is infinite, while all circles in reality are finite. The definition of "circle" in geometry is the set of all points that are equidistant from a fixed point in a plane, while in the real world, nothing can be made to completely meet the definition of a circle, there are always deviations, and it is not a perfect circle. Any concrete thing in the real world does not meet the definition of an abstract concept.

But higher wisdom can still recognize the abstract circle under the premise of "never seeing it".

So, can higher wisdom recognize things that it has never seen? Or... because of the perfection of the spirit, they are naturally able to acquire knowledge about "abstract" by nature?

From this argument point of view, spiritual things are higher than material things, just like abstract circles and concrete circles.

Similarly, the criterion for judging whether a person is alive or not, and the difference between the living and the dead, is not whether the body is alive or not, but whether he has a soul or not, whether he has consciousness or not. A person with a soul is a living person, and a person without a soul is a dead person.

This soul does not refer to the spirit, which is actually just a form of matter. This "soul" refers to the essence of its thinking.

Compared with the material existence of the body, the spiritual existence of the soul is the essence of being human. Therefore, the life of higher wisdom, or in the Buddhist terms, "sentient beings", can have a rational understanding of some abstract concepts because they have this advanced and purer spirit, which transcends matter.

However, this statement is pure nonsense for people, witches, and demons.

Because the spirit itself is part of matter.

Is the world of pure thinking not a world?

What does the pure spirit depend on to exist?

All thinking itself is material, and so are the so-called "abstract" things. Thoughts exist because of matter, and the foundation of thinking is because of the existence of "matter". Who says that "abstract ideas" are not considered matter?

It is just another form of matter, they follow the same rules. From this perspective, ‘matter’ is ‘existence’ itself.

All so-called soul-consciousness existence statements are just names for matter.

You must ‘exist’ first, and then ‘perceive’.

Matter itself exists, and then there are so-called norms, time and space, and physical laws.

Physical laws are the properties of matter and a certain form of existence of matter. It is not that there is a universe first, and then there are some physical laws and laws in the universe, and then matter will evolve and develop according to these laws. It is not like this.

Matter exists first, and matter itself includes all its own properties, so the universe is like this.

The universe is not a place that provides space for matter to move. The universe is matter itself, and it is the “real thing” produced by all movements that are not transferred by the will of the outside world.

The universe has and only has one way of existence, that is ‘nature’. This natural state is inherent in the nature of all things.

The difference between humans and witches lies in how to treat ‘nature’.

As for demons, they inherently believe that they are ‘nature’, and ‘demon’ is something born from nature itself. That’s why ‘everything is a demon’, and everything can be ‘demonized’, thus creating differences.

Of course, this kind of debate between material and spiritual things is actually meaningless, and the Taoist leaders will not fight over it at all, and they will only curse a few words at most.

Because everyone knows that before the 'Ultimate Avenue' is discovered, this kind of debate will have no result, because the essence has been almost studied, and no one can convince anyone, at least in terms of the current level of magical powers and cognition,' The actual situation is that the essence is unknowable, and maybe the two are not contradictory. Just understand the world from a different perspective.

And 'probing the essence', that is, the process of finding the 'ultimate avenue', is what the current great leaders are trying to do.

However, in a practical sense, this kind of cognition can indeed produce specific effects, and the simplest one is 'following the feet'.

Zhu Fengdan's heel is rooted in the material itself, so as long as he can interfere with the material, that is, the composition of 'nature', at least in form, it can be like a virus implanted in his 'dao' Laying mines directly interfered with the operation of his orthodoxy.

Theoretically speaking, this method is also applicable in the magic world, which is commonly used by the magic world to change the mind, implant evil thoughts, and even replace your 'thoughts' to make you 'think that's what you think'.

As for witchcraft, they are not afraid of the implantation of demonic thoughts, but they are afraid of this kind of material change, which is like directly modifying the brain, a thinking organ.

After thinking about this, Li Qi sighed: "Well, it seems like there is no solution."

"Isn't the solution very simple? Be careful, cautious, and guard yourself. At the same time, you can also do this to others, or use a simpler method, which is to kill the opponent with brute force." Zhu Fengdan smiled.

"Beat him to death with brute force? For a third-level person, can he be beaten to death with brute force?" Li Qi was a little confused.

"Do you know the third grade very well?" Zhu Fengdan asked.

Li Qi was speechless.

"You haven't really established the third rank yet. There are still many things to learn. In fact, I also want to tell you the answer directly, but you should also understand that some things cannot be said."

"However, as your master, at least I can tell you now -"

"In the realm of desire, it's definitely true."

Li Qi nodded: "I understand."

"Get out of here if you understand. You can't cure me." Zhu Fengdan waved his hand impatiently.