Chapter 326 Passenger Aircraft, C808 and C909

"It's not really an interest."

Chang Haonan shook his head gently,

"After all, the Paris Air Show is the largest aviation show in the world today. It is just to follow the trends of our country and see if there is any place where I need to provide technical support to the best of my ability."

There is no way, he can't just jump into the trap and say, "I have calculated that General Master Dong will face a disaster in three years, and he is currently trying to find ways to help the latter avoid disaster."

Now that we are almost entering the 21st century, the craze for research on special abilities has long passed. Saying such words may only be regarded as amusement or curse.

So in the end I can only give an answer with full compatibility.

Fortunately, Huai Guomo just asked casually and didn't pay much attention to this matter.

Although the purpose of his visit this time is also related to the Paris Air Show, the focus is still on the large aircraft project that the entire Science and Technology Commission is paying close attention to.

Although the merger between Boeing and McDonnell Douglas has not yet been settled, Europe and China also know that it is impossible to finally stop this kind of thing. It would be of no benefit to everyone to really break up with the Americans, so they have begun to consider their own The conditions put forward.

The long-pending merger has caused far more damage to McDonnell Douglas than to Boeing. Hufei's MD90 project has basically stalled, and many engineers sent by the United States have been recalled to work in the country or even dismissed.

After investigation, the working group dispatched by the Science and Technology Commission concluded that the resources currently received were not enough to manufacture a complete passenger aircraft, so the entire Shanghai Aircraft Corporation once again fell into a situation of halting work and waiting for materials.

It's just that this time, anyone with a discerning eye can see that the material, I'm afraid, can't wait.

Huai Guomo slowly took out one piece of information from the file bag in front of him and placed it on the table:

"This morning, news came back from Paris. After the air show closed last night, people from the Tupolev and MiG families took the initiative to contact us."

Chang Haonan perked up and picked up the information closest to him from the table.

It's a minute of the meeting.

Similar to all negotiations, the first contact is just to test each other's requirements, so there are no clear conditions involved.

But judging from the fact that almost a quarter of the questions asked by Russian personnel, especially Tupolev’s team leader, were about the agreement between China and Europe, it is obvious that they are greedy for the huge power hidden behind it. market.

"Director Huai, I understand Tupolev, but MiG..."

Chang Haonan turned the twenty pages of paper in his hand to the end, but he didn't find that the whole project had anything to do with MiG Company.

He did know that the other party had several passenger aircraft projects in the late 1990s, but they were basically in the painting stage. The only MiG 110 that had been launched also coincided with the positioning of his own MA60.

"Oh, because in the future Tupolev's commercial aircraft will be produced at MiG's Nizhny Novgorod factory, so if we really reach an introduction agreement like Project 11 with the other party, then MiG people will also get involved.”

Huai Guomo, who had just returned from an inspection trip to Russia, naturally knew the most about some details.

"Is there such a thing? I remember they have a manufacturing plant in Kazan..."

In the original timeline, the MiG company, which failed to find a stable market for the improved MiG-29, eventually declined completely, while Tupolev relied on dozens of orders for the Tu-204 in Russia and the support for the MiG-29 at the turn of the century. Da Mao managed to survive on the dozens of Tu-160s he got back from Er Mao for repairs, and managed to survive until the new Tu-160M2 order was placed.

As for what happens next, Chang Haonan doesn't know.

"Because of our previous contact with Ilyushin, the two factories in Kazan and Ulyanovsk have begun to move frequently, preparing to take over the business in Tashkent and switch to the production of the new model IL-76MF, Tupolev There are no orders here now, so we have no choice but to make two preparations, and MiG is also in trouble."

Huai Guomo suddenly laughed when he said this:

"Concerning this, Xiao Chang, you were right before. You can count everything one by one."

"I……"

The sudden compliment made Chang Haonan a little confused.

He didn't even know about these things before, and he really couldn't see anything...

Fortunately, Huai Guomo continued:

"Comrade Yang Shuyu from the Navy has already told us that Tupolev relaxed his tone to us and said that Tu-22M3 bombers could be exported. This matter was very controversial at the time, and representatives of the Navy and Air Force were immediately He couldn’t make up his mind, but in the end you helped him determine his objections.”

"In hindsight, this should be a move by Tuju to save itself. With the order, it can seize at least one factory to maintain production capacity and wait for changes."

"As a result, Tupolev did not expect that we, who had some interest in Tu-22M3 in previous years, did not respond at all this time, catching them off guard. No, the attitude towards passenger aircraft has softened. "

Chang Haonan suddenly realized.

Tupolev's current situation is actually similar to that of Hufei, both of which are facing a situation of being forced to suspend production due to lack of orders.

And because they do not have their own production capacity, once production ceases, the supporting factories are likely to find another way to make a living.

Once the aviation manufacturing industry stops for a few years, it will not be that easy to recover.

Moreover, customers who were originally willing will definitely be affected after discovering that you have lost your production capacity.

So from a purely logical point of view, it was indeed Chang Haonan's original words that led to Tupolev's current crisis, which in turn prompted them to actively extend an olive branch in the field of passenger aircraft.

Of course, the details in between are all imagined by Huai Guomo. In fact, Chang Haonan simply felt that without significant improvement in range and bomb load, a simple supersonic bomber would not significantly improve the combat effectiveness of our army. That’s all.

But no matter how you say it, the result is always good, and it does make sense.

So he accepted it naturally:

"We have no choice. Our current financial resources are limited, so we can only prioritize the most important models. Judging from the current situation, it is best to obtain the production capacity of a medium-sized passenger aircraft to help Hufei maintain its production line, workers and team. It’s urgent.”

Since the leadership of the civil aviation industry was taken over by the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense in the second half of last year, Hufei, which is responsible for the production of large aircraft, has naturally been fully integrated into the system management of the Commission.

People have already accepted the letter of nomination, so naturally they need to be given some sweeteners. You can't just enter the military industry system and you can't even get orders. It will be ugly to say it out.

Of course, having said that, at this time in the last life, Hufei was still wavering between two completely dead-end directions: continuing to develop the MD90 and turning its head to produce the AE100. Now it is much stronger.

"Yes, but in addition to the Tu-204 that we are focusing on, Tupolev has also proposed another model, which is a regional aircraft with about 100 seats, the Tu-334."

Huai Guomo said and pushed another piece of information in front of Chang Haonan.

"When I went to inspect, I saw this model there. It's not very big, and its take-off weight is a little smaller than our Y-8. It's over 40 tons, which can basically suppress the upper limit of the mutual recognition agreement we reached with Europe. , the other party probably also wants to use us to obtain the airworthiness of European models, so that even if they cannot be sold to the EU in the future, they will be easier to export to third world countries."

"What we are considering is, is it possible for us to build a 40-ton regional airliner all by ourselves?"

Obviously, after experiencing various surprises in the past year, the Science and Technology Committee's ideas have become wild.

After all, the 60-ton Y-8 has been built, and the 40-ton regional airliner looks like it can be used as well.

Chang Haonan was a little embarrassed when he heard this idea.

Although he has been cheated, it is not the kind of violent cheat that turns directly into a violent cheat. The basic law still needs to be abided by.

The design principles of passenger aircraft and military aircraft are completely different. Since comfort and economy must be taken into consideration, the difficulty is actually much greater than that of military aircraft of the same level.

Apart from anything else, the ARJ21-700, which was basically the same level as the Tu-334 in its previous life, received a large amount of foreign technical support. It was designed starting in 2002 and did not start building the first prototype until 2006. It was delivered for operation in 2015. .

Even if Chang Haonan puts the focus of his subsequent work on passenger aircraft, based on China's current overall technical level, this process will take at least three or four years.

I'm afraid Hufei can't wait until that time.

So he thought about his words and replied:

"If you spend a few years on design, it might not be impossible..."

"But based on the current situation of Hufei, the top priority is to put a model into production as soon as possible to re-establish the confidence of employees, especially front-line workers. This year is catching up with the wave of layoffs from state-owned enterprises. If the factory falls into a long-term shutdown, I am afraid it will People’s minds change.”

"Um……"

The angle mentioned by Chang Haonan made Huai Guomo fall into a brief thought:

"Besides, there's one more thing."

He continued to add more money,

"Similar to the situation with the AL31F engine on Project 11, because the PS90 engine used in Figure 204 has a wide range of installation targets, the Perm Engine Factory may not be willing to transfer power system-related technology to us, but the D436T1 engine on Figure 334 You can definitely fight for it and get it together with the plane."

"The reason is easy to explain. In order to comply with the requirements of the Mutual Recognition Agreement on Airworthiness between China and Europe, the localization rate of the aircraft must be maintained above a certain level. For the Tu334 model, Tupolev is definitely better than us. There is no need to worry, and the Ivchenko-Progressive Design Bureau is only breathing its last breath now, so the resistance should not be very big.”

The D436T1 is a 7.5-ton high-bypass turbofan engine of the same level as the CF34-10A. The most valuable thing is that it is almost the only model that has an advantage in fuel consumption compared to its American counterparts.

Moreover, it is difficult for Ermao to obstruct the technology transfer of D436 like the D18 or D36 engines, because the intellectual property rights of this engine are a mess. The Ufa Engine Industrial Complex and Salyut Aircraft Engine Company also control about half of the production capacity. and property rights.

It's really getting urgent, Da Mao is not a good person who follows the rules...

Soros would soon experience this.

In short, if this wave of operations can be successful, it will save Chang Haonan at least two to three years of effort.

Such bargaining chips obviously easily convinced Huai Guomo:

"This is indeed a big problem, I will report your opinions..."

"By the way, if the contract is generally signed according to these conditions, then the future Tu-334 and Tu-204 will become highly customized, and our country can obtain full intellectual property rights models, just like the J-11, we should also have our own Do you have any ideas about the name?”

"Is this..."

Chang Haonan couldn't help but smile.

The naming method of Huaxia's large aircraft in the previous life is actually good, and you can directly copy it:

"Airbus planes start with A, and Boeing planes start with B, so we'll use C, which happens to be the first letter of China."

"We in China value nine, so the first mainline passenger aircraft produced by the Shanghai Aircraft Factory can be called C909, just like Boeing, followed by 919, 929..."

"As for the branch line, the grade is still a little lower after all. You can settle for the second best and use 8. The first one is called C808, which is also an auspicious number..."

While the two were chatting and laughing, the naming method of Huaxia C-series passenger aircraft was decided.